Jay Stinnett & Bill Schaberg (Conscious Contact – The Seekers)

In this episode of the Three Legacies Recovery Recordings Podcast, Paul is joined by AA historians Jay Stinnett and Bill Schaberg for a wide-ranging, thoughtful conversation about the history, spirituality, and evolution of Alcoholics Anonymous. Drawing on years of research and firsthand study of original source material, Jay and Bill talk about the value of looking beyond familiar stories and returning to documented history to better understand how the early fellowship formed, how the Twelve Steps emerged, and how spiritual principles were lived and tested over time.

The discussion also touches on the friendship between Jay and Bill, their shared passion for separating myth from verifiable fact, and how their work led to the documentary Bill W: Conscious Contact. That film and the research behind it open the door to deeper questions about Bill Wilson’s lifelong spiritual search, his interest in meditation, and how conscious contact remained central to his personal growth.

This episode goes beyond dates and details, inviting listeners into a living conversation about seeking, questioning, and staying connected to a power greater than oneself. It offers both historical insight and spiritual reflection, encouraging listeners to deepen their own recovery journey with curiosity, humility, and an open mind.